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Ask a Marine Security Guard anything
#1
Just like all the other threads, the "ask a MSG anything" thread had a lot of good information for Marines out there interested in the job. 

I'm at the end of my tour on MSG and I still have an idea of what goes on at the school house with new MSG's coming in to the det. I also spent a year in MSAU if anyone is curious about that.

Ask away.
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#2
What happened to the TMO specialist that went around telling people he was a "bullet catcher for the president" in a bar while passing his badge around? Did that dude get relieved or what?
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#3
(03-01-2015, 05:16 AM)BEAR Wrote: Just like all the other threads, the "ask a MSG anything" thread had a lot of good information for Marines out there interested in the job. 

I'm at the end of my tour on MSG and I still have an idea of what goes on at the school house with new MSG's coming in to the det. I also spent a year in MSAU if anyone is curious about that.

Ask away.

I have been off the program for almost a year and a half now, but I am curious how the plus-up has gone.  Have attrition rates gone back up at the schoolhouse yet?  
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#4
How long does it take to put a package in and get a class up date?
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#5
(03-01-2015, 11:42 AM)ABACABB Wrote: What happened to the TMO specialist that went around telling people he was a "bullet catcher for the president" in a bar while passing his badge around? Did that dude get relieved or what?

This happened while I was at MSAU. We heard about it for a good week and then it kinda settled down. One day we were walking into the MSG HQ building on mainside (MSAU we there for the time being) and the "bullet catcher" was on Post 1 looking miserable as all hell; which is expected and made us all glad. He did get relieved. But not after standing copious amounts of duty at Post 1. Not sure where he ended up afterwards though.

(03-01-2015, 11:49 AM)WindowLicker Wrote:
(03-01-2015, 05:16 AM)BEAR Wrote: Just like all the other threads, the "ask a MSG anything" thread had a lot of good information for Marines out there interested in the job. 

I'm at the end of my tour on MSG and I still have an idea of what goes on at the school house with new MSG's coming in to the det. I also spent a year in MSAU if anyone is curious about that.

Ask away.

I have been off the program for almost a year and a half now, but I am curious how the plus-up has gone.  Have attrition rates gone back up at the schoolhouse yet?  

The plus-up has happened. Most dets have moved up from a 1/5-1/7 and 1/7-1/9 and so on and so on. The poor thing about this is they stopped giving a fuck about the quality of Marines coming out on post. Coming from the 03 community I was used to this (just like every other MOS i'm sure) but it's just ten-fold here. Too many unexperienced Marines getting promoted to NCO's with not enough time in service. (IE: We have two sergeants at my det with not 3 years time in service and no leadership experience) 

The attrition rate remains the same. Still reaching to almost 200 Marines arriving at the school house, but many of them getting dropped. And of course, the student detcomdrs suffer the most. A few classes ago 18 SNCO's arrived on deck and only 4 graduated. That should give you an idea.

(03-02-2015, 02:22 AM)Korbrah Wrote: How long does it take to put a package in and get a class up date?

This is probably outdated since I put my package in early 2012, but this was my time line

Recruiting visit in late March and got a school seat that day
Went through about a week of paper work with the career planner
Attended AALC (why my command sent me I don't know. I'm not complaining though)
Checked out of my unit in June
Got to the school house for MSG in late july.

With the plus-up going on, Marines are probably getting their orders expedited and arriving to the school house a lot quicker. 
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(03-02-2015, 03:30 AM)BEAR Wrote:
(03-01-2015, 11:42 AM)ABACABB Wrote: What happened to the TMO specialist that went around telling people he was a "bullet catcher for the president" in a bar while passing his badge around? Did that dude get relieved or what?

This happened while I was at MSAU. We heard about it for a good week and then it kinda settled down. One day we were walking into the MSG HQ building on mainside (MSAU we there for the time being) and the "bullet catcher" was on Post 1 looking miserable as all hell; which is expected and made us all glad. He did get relieved. But not after standing copious amounts of duty at Post 1. Not sure where he ended up afterwards though.

lol Damn dude....I gave it a check on MOL a week ago, I think he was in Yuma or something. Still a Cpl naturally.
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#7
Unfortunately some Marines get it stuck in their head that since they're a MSG with a clearance that they're badass DOS special agents and ruin the good about the MSG program for everyone.
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(03-02-2015, 11:34 AM)BEAR Wrote: Unfortunately some Marines get it stuck in their head that since they're a MSG with a clearance that they're badass DOS special agents and ruin the good about the MSG program for everyone.

I've noticed that clearances seem to be a bragging point among Marines of various MOSs for some reason. I remember being among a group and in the midst of telling lies to one another all three of them talked about "having a TS" before, like it's supercool and not just something that is part of occupying a billet. Their jobs were small computer and telephone repairman and two aviation ordnance guys. A quick JPAS query probably would've indicated they were full of shit. lol
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#9
(03-02-2015, 03:59 PM)Slinky Wizard Wrote: MSG needs to return to the old days. Only (or mainly) grunts and free reign to do pretty much whatever the fuck they want, keeping everything in house.

I can't agree more. MSG's, especially the A/detcomdrs who get their first taste of authority, have lost the idea of what keeping shit in house means. Can only trust a few these days.
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(03-02-2015, 03:59 PM)Slinky Wizard Wrote: MSG needs to return to the old days.  Only (or mainly) grunts and free reign to do pretty much whatever the fuck they want, keeping everything in house.

So everybody else gets a pick of recruiter duty or drill instructor duty? Aw hell no.
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#11
I think young jarheads will prioritize booze and poontang over all else regardless of MOS. Look at Lonetree. 'Dat Russian punani.
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#12
Is MSG really that different now than it was a few years ago?
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#13
(03-03-2015, 03:41 AM)Slinky Wizard Wrote: It's really different from 15 years ago according to sources close to the program.

I imagine everything is different from 15 years ago.
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#14
(03-03-2015, 03:49 AM)Slinky Wizard Wrote: According to sources, the program has taken a drastic change for the worse. Buddy fuckers and tight restrictions on what the Marines can/can't do.  Pussies who should have been weeded out in boot camp end up on the program and bitch about everything.
I was never on the program, but sources were and have direct contact with MSGs today and feel that the program has been pussified and watered down.

From everybody talking that's the Marine Corps in general. I'm putting in my package regardless, I'm just bummed out that I finally read something negative about MSG duty.
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(03-03-2015, 04:00 AM)Korbrah Wrote:
(03-03-2015, 03:49 AM)Slinky Wizard Wrote: According to sources, the program has taken a drastic change for the worse. Buddy fuckers and tight restrictions on what the Marines can/can't do.  Pussies who should have been weeded out in boot camp end up on the program and bitch about everything.
I was never on the program, but sources were and have direct contact with MSGs today and feel that the program has been pussified and watered down.

From everybody talking that's the Marine Corps in general. I'm putting in my package regardless, I'm just bummed out that I finally read something negative about MSG duty.

For MSG today, whatever question you have about it, I can most likely show you the negatives will outweigh the positives. S.W sources are completely correct. It seems like within the past year, I've met too many Marines that have gotten out of bootcamp, and spent 6 months in the fleet before they came on the MSG program. It's a complete joke. The plus-up was a mistake.

It's a check in the box for a SDA, but there are better things out there. 
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#16
(03-01-2015, 11:42 AM)ABACABB Wrote: What happened to the TMO specialist that went around telling people he was a "bullet catcher for the president" in a bar while passing his badge around? Did that dude get relieved or what?

For anyone who's curious about inviting guests to functions, the recent change is 

"MSG's are only allowed to invite up to three non-embassy personnel to functions. This includes Americans who are visiting the country that do not work at the embassy"...lol
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#17
Yeah, I think the tightening of restrictions and treating Marines like children thing is inevitable when they're accepting guys who have all been in the fleet for a mere 6 to 12 months. It's what happens when any particular MOS is hurting for bodies - the standards must decrease to accommodate the required numbers.
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#18
I've been on the program for just over a year now and yeah as some have already said the stories the program was sold on don't happen anymore. Granted I had a kind of a shit hole for a first post.
"Butt Sweat"-"Smells Like Victory"
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#19
(03-01-2015, 05:16 AM)BEAR Wrote: Just like all the other threads, the "ask a MSG anything" thread had a lot of good information for Marines out there interested in the job. 

I'm at the end of my tour on MSG and I still have an idea of what goes on at the school house with new MSG's coming in to the det. I also spent a year in MSAU if anyone is curious about that.

Ask away.

Care to shed some light on MSAU? Was told it sucks.
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#20
(03-03-2015, 10:20 PM)YellowPeasant Wrote: Care to shed some light on MSAU? Was told it sucks.

MSAU was a great idea when I had showed up with the original group of guys when we stood it up in 2013, great chain of command, gear was shooter preference/gear preference, great training evolutions, Marines getting sent to schools. I think when we stood up MSAU there were only 32 of us, so the augmentation rotation would have been good if it stayed in a lower level of personnel (for example I was only sent out on two augmentations in my 11 months there. Both times we were able to work with MARSOC and we learned a lot from them which was a plus). The numbers of personnel have obviously increased

We had dodged the "busy work" that you see in the fleet for the first 7 months until the original SNOIC was getting ready to head back to the fleet. (There's only so many times you can room clear the third floor of the MSG HQ building) 

Instead of being a readily deployable unit, we ended up hardly being used to our capabilities, given the short stick logistically, and ran by incompetent (some of them) SNCO's and "senior" sergeants who had no real experience being a leader. And I know that still holds true since I have buddies back there who decided to stick around for another year. The whole "only infantry guys" was not true if you heard that rumor. We had anywhere from the admin guys, all the way to the arty Marine. 

The good?
No standing post except for possible duty once a month
Not having to deal with embassy employees
No CV/SAI
You're in America
You're just a drive from DC and any of the surrounding areas (great if you're into the outdoors since Shenandoah is so close)
Annual leave opportunities
Can have a POV

It's a good post if you want/need a break from regular post lifestyle 
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#21
What's standing post like? What's a typical day? And is there anything you would have liked to know before you signed up for it?
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(03-04-2015, 03:22 AM)Korbrah Wrote: What's standing post like? What's a typical day? And is there anything you would have liked to know before you signed up for it?

I'll try and make this short and not TL;DR

What's standing post like: Usually, the first thing you do when coming on any shift is the changeover which can be pretty easy once you start memorizing the guard property inventories. For the morning and afternoon shift you get your "rush hour" throughout the day. Signing out keys and badges. Depending on where you're located, you can have a lot of military bubbas/US citzens coming in and you've gotta check their clearance for the appropriate badge to sign out. A lot of bitching and moaning. Pressing the same button to let people in the chancery. 

As I type, i have my heel on the pedal that unmags the hardline door. Yeah I'm on TL. You answer a lot of phone calls from locals or internally of the embassy compound. Monitor the cameras, bullshit with the ESO when he comes in to Post 1, and salute the old man/lady when they walk by. Everynow and then you might have some suspect stuff going on and that'll pass the time. 

If you're on the graveyard shift you'll be doing your nightly roves and the such

Typical day: If i'm not at work i'm at home trying to stay away from the embassy since I live on compound. If i've got collat work to do i'll head over to the embassy at night so I don't have to dress up if it's not time sensitive. 

Things I wish I would have known: At least from the school house to my first post, I wish I would have known not to bring so much damn stuff on my flight and had sent it with my TMO. Honestly, other than that, once you read between the lines of the recruiting video and do some research, you really know what you're getting yourself in to
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#23
After you submit the e-QIP, what else do you gotta do for your clearance investigation?
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#24
I forgot the official terms, but you fill out a shit ton of more paperwork, they WILL interview your contacts, and you get questioned at the school house after you graduate. Basically anything is on the table question wise. 

I showed up to my first post and my clearance still hadn't been done. Was a few months later. At least until it populated into MOL. 
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#25
MOL is kind of slow to reflect...well, anything. If you want to verify whether or not your clearance has gone through, get with somebody that has access to JPAS (S-2s, security branches, etc). All they need is your social and full name and they can verify your clearance eligibility.
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